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GCR
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Posted:
Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:39 pm
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Does anyone
have a growth rate chart for chicks 4 months and
younger? All I can find online is a graph for up to 10
months, making it very vague at the young age.
Also, what kind of losses would be average for fading
chick syndrome?
Thanks
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Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:49 am
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How much should
my chicks weigh??
1 month 6.5 to 15 pounds
2 months 15 to 70 pounds
3 months 30 to 110 pounds
4 months 75 to 150 pounds
5 months 100 to 175 pounds
6 months 150 to 220 pounds
9 months 200 to 250 pounds
12 months 220 to 275 pounds
15 months 250 to 300 pounds
How tall should my chicks be??
1 month 12 to 20 inches
2 month 24 to 36 inches
3 months 30 to 48 inches
4 months 42 to 66 inches
5 months 50 to 72 inches
6 months 60 to 84 inches
The above numbers are benchmarks only but should give
you some idea.
As for fading chick syndrome, I have several opinions.
First of all, they are not learning to eat young enough
and basically starve when the yolk sac is gone. They are
not getting enough exercise to use up the yolk sac, thus
also being hungry and eating more. Third they could just
be poor chicks because of poor nutrition of the
breeders.
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Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:17 am
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Thanks for the
answer.
The chicks are African Blacks and almost 3 months old.
Those heights are to the top of the body, not the head,
correct?
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:14 am
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These heights
are at the top of the head, not the body.
Generally, African Blacks are a bit smaller in stature.
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Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:28 am
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/30839116@N06/
These are my 3 month old African Blacks, purchased from
former AOA member, Pat Naruz, on the day they hatched,
June 24, 2008. The pictures were taken on September
23,2008. They are 4 feet tall or more. The birds were
microchipped in a McDonald's parking lot off the
interstate and Pat read the chips and has a copy of the
microchip numbers. She was also kept informed of the
progress, so this can all be verified.
The were fed a diet of alfalfa meal, beef heart (cheap
meat), instant potato, and kelp for the first month. A
daily head of cabbage was put in the pen.
The second month I added ground split peas to the mix.
At 2.5 months a free-choice feeder was added to the pen
with foal food and dog food. This was in addition to the
homemade blend.
I have just added ground corn and am reducing the
potato,split peas, and beef heart.
It may be time to rethink if these babies are really
obligate vegetarians. In mammals there are no vegetarian
babies; milk is animal protein, liquid meat. They were
fed about an ounce of meat per day, less in the
beginning.
This was not a controlled study, nor was it intended to
be. It was just a broad brush stroke to see if a diet
without soy or carbs in the first month, but with meat
protein instead, was going to accelerate or retard
growth.
I have two more chicks hatched August 18. I picked them
up on 9/10 and were only 2.5 pounds. Today, 9/25, they
weighed 6.4 and 7.4 pounds, so they are gaining well,
although I don't expect them to be as tall at three
months because of their rough start. We'll see.
Thank you for your kind assistance.
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Posted:
Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:23 pm
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Beautiful chick
for sure.
The measurements given are benchmarks only. That means
some do not make these numbers and others exceed them. I
have rasied ostrich for 17 years or so and still do not
think that your diet is necessarily the best, especially
for development as a future breeder bird. That said, it
is your birds and you can certainly feed it whatever you
like.
Best of luck to you
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:41 pm
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Ostriches are
omnivores. What are your specific objections, please?
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Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:04 pm
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First of all, I
have never seen where scientist refer to ostrich as true
omnivores. Yes they do occasionally eat an insect or
two, but rarely.
Second of all, the AOA Certifed program as well as the
USDA will not allow any animal for future human
consumption to eat the meat or by-products of another
animal - it is against the law. This of course came
about with the mad cow disease. Although I certainly
have never heard of any bird acquiring mad cow, it is
thought that this was transfered via brain and internal
organ meat.
For higher protein, we recommend Soy Bean, some folks
will add Calf Manna.
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Posted:
Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:50 am
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I am very sorry
to tell you this, but your advisers are totally wrong
and need to read the actual regulations.
It is illegal to feed animal protein in ruminants ONLY.
Animal protein ban in Ruminants
http://aafco.org/Portals/0/Public/BSE_aafco_brochure.pdf
NPIP participation is voluntary and there are no legal
restrictions on what we feed our birds.
So, the NPIP guidelines only apply to NPIP members.
The NPIP concern is not a variation of BSE, but
bacterial contamination and cross infection from meat.
That BSE argument, and I know where it came from, is
spurious and without any scientific foundation.
Even for members of the NPIP, there are provisions to
feed animal protein.
From NPIP:
Section F
(ii) All feed fed to the flock shall meet the following
requirements:
(A) Pelletized feed shall contain either no animal
protein or only animal protein products produced under
the Animal Protein Products Industry (APPI) Salmonella
Education/Reduction Program. The protein products must
have a minimum moisture content of 14.5 percent and must
have been heated throughout to a minimum temperature of
190 °F, or above, or to a minimum temperature of 165 °F
for at least 20 minutes, or to a minimum temperature of
184 °F under 70 lbs. pressure during the manufacturing
process.
(B) Mash feed may contain no animal protein other than
an APPI animal protein product supplement manufactured
in pellet form and crumbled: Provided, That mash feed
may contain nonpelleted APPI animal protein product
supplements if the finished feed is treated with a
salmonella control product approved by the U.S. Food and
Drug Administration.
There is a lot of misinformation on ratites out there.
My copy of
Avian Medicine, has page after page of the ratite
chapter crossed out with a felt marker. Probably the
only thing I didn't mark up was the section on
transportation.
Way back when, it was extrapolated from other production
animal diets what would grow ratite babies. The study
that sticks in my head most, and I am going from memory,
I packed all those old documents away long ago, showed
that 16-18% protein produced the best growth and the
lowest incidence of leg problems.
The problem with this study is that the researcher
over-ran her data. The conclusion failed to take into
account that the protein source itself could have been
part of the problem, and not the level of protein. The
protein source was soy.
So, the correct conclusion might have been that
increasing levels of soy protein increased incidences of
leg problems.
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Posted:
Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:09 pm
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Soy has the
potential to cause a lot of problem in the chicks.
Soy is under increasing scientific scrutiny
For an example scientific review on the dangers in soy I
recommend:
http://www.thewholesoystory.com/index.php
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/01introduction.htm
An extract from the above page:
The use of new generation bird feeds that contained soy
coincided with thousands of bird deaths and disorders.
These effects were widespread and were reported by many
of New Zealand's leading parrot breeders.
Among the effects seen by these bird breeders were:
beak and bone deformities
goitre.
immune system disorders
infertility-END EXCERPT
Soy and lack of animal protein may be preventing the
chicks from growing as rapidly as they could. It has
never been examined to see if soy is a nutritional food
source or a source of stunting.
I have two more young chicks from Pat, so we will see
how they do. I will report on the progress of the older
ones on October 24, their 4 month birthday.
At 13 weeks one is over 5 feet tall and the little one
is 4 feet 6 inches.
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Posted:
Thu May 07, 2009 1:28 pm
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How much food
(in pounds) will a chick consume? I've been told to plan
for 50lb per month for 7 months...
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Fri May 08, 2009 8:18 am
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Obviously the
chart is attached.
You must get the babies eating as soon as possible (in
my opinion). They eat very little at first, but they
will learn to peck quickly. I like to throw in clover
and they love it. I put feed on a towel rather than
bowels at first because they will eat off the "floor"
better than bowls. Once they begin knowing what food it,
the bowls work just fine. You can get a chick starter
for ostrich specifically or use any of the following or
combination of the following to get then starter:
chicken, turkey or game bird starter granules, hen
scratch, alfalfa pellets and a bit of grit. As they are
eating after about 3-4 weeks wein them off to the
ostrich feed.
I pick up my chicks in the evening to see if their belly
is full. If they get lighter and lighter, you have a
problem.
Good luck
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